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NJEA says Christie's argument that teachers 'only work 180 days' is inaccurate

christiechris052411_optNew Jersey Gov. Chris Christie is of the opinion that teachers don’t work hard for the money, but the New Jersey Education Association argues the facts say otherwise.

The governor claimed in a forum at the University of Notre Dame on Nov. 18 that teachers only work 180 days — or just half the year — and make around $60,000.

Well, the NJEA would give Christie a big fat F for failing to prove his statement.

“It’s a bit like saying that the governor is only working on days when he signs bills,” NJEA spokesman Steve Baker said. “In other words, wrong, and intentionally misleading."

As was reported in the Star-Ledger’s PolitiFact column, 180 days is the minimum number of schools days in New Jersey — as it is in at least 30 other states. And the NJEA noted that many of the Garden State’s school districts exceed that number.

But to think public school teachers are only working when they are in their classroom in front of students is a huge fallacy, Baker said.

“Most — indeed, nearly all — teachers spend many additional days setting up their classrooms, preparing lesson plans, attending professional development events, taking classes and otherwise engaged in additional work outside the contracted school day and school year,” Baker said. “You can imagine the amount of work that goes into preparing to teach 180 days of student classes.”

He said that Christie’s comment is “a common tactic that critics of public education use to denigrate the work of teachers, to make it sound as if they really don’t work that hard.”

Christie has often been critical of public school teachers and their union, but his claim is the furthest thing from the truth, other experts said.

“It’s really a misrepresentation of the vast majority of teachers who are dedicated to their work," said William Gaudelli, an associate professor of social studies and education, the social studies program coordinator at Columbia University’s Teachers College, and a member of the South Orange-Maplewood Board of Education.

And Michael W. Smith, a professor and chair of the Department of Curriculum, Instruction, and Technology in Education at Temple University in Philadelphia, told NJ.com that teachers often work at home or outside the classroom preparing lessons, reviewing students’ work and providing feedback, meeting with students outside class, staying abreast of educational technology, meeting continuing education requirements and much more. Smith was the chair of the Department of Learning and Teaching at Rutgers University New Brunswick from 1992 to 2005.

Christie also underestimated teachers’ average salaries. Actually, the NJEA said, the average is just over $65,000 in the state — the fourth highest behind New York, Massachusetts and California.

But that doesn’t take into account the teachers’ job-related expenses, including some $500 of their own money they put toward supplies each year.

—JOE GREENE, NEWJERSEYNEWSROOM.COM

 
Comments (15)
15 Monday, 09 January 2012 21:18
Nancy Papas
Teachers are not paid for the enforced layoffs on fall, spring, and Christmas breaks and summer 'vacation'.

They are not paid for all the after school, week-end, and unpaid vacation time they work.

Their in-school preparation time is disappearing as schools cut art, music, and P.E. faculty and classes when the students would be in those classes instead and freeing their regular classroom teacher for lesson prep and grading papers.

Parents must work 2-3 jobs to earn a middle class wage but that deprives them of time to be involved in their children's school activities or to even be home with them. Is it any wonder that this war on middle class wages and sensible hours for teachers and parents are causing students to feel like adults don't have real time to connect with and care for them?

Corporate greed is sowing the seeds of our own destruction. It's anti-famiily and anti-teacher, and Gov. Christie is cheering for it. How truly sad and how short-sighted.
14 Saturday, 31 December 2011 21:07
Steve C.
Simple Addition (note: I corrected the spelling for you), I notice you are double billing the teachers. Your calculations include 2 days off for 52 weeks out of the year, but then you include all of July and August, not remembering to exclude the weekends for those months. That thows your figure off by at least eight days. You make the same mistake with winter break, so there's at least another two days. Then you throw in sick days. These may or may not be taken. However, unless a teacher is seriously ill, those will not be taken, so that means your off for another 10 days, for a total of 20 days. On top of that, many teachers work at least one day on the weekends. This includes grading papers, making lesson plans, helping with extra-curricular activities, etc. So now I think it's only fair to say that there is another 32 days that you're off by. This brings us to a total of 52 days; which, when added to your 160 days, brings us to a total of 212.
13 Tuesday, 27 December 2011 11:00
Debbie
Christie should be the head cheerleader for the teaching professionals of his state. However, he chooses to tear them down with unfounded negative attacks.

The 180 day academic year is determined by the state. Shame on you Governor Christie for unfair attacks on the dedicated teachers.

Teachers do not get overtime pay and they certainly have tons of hours beyond the school day.

Teacher bashing is old and tired Governor Christie.

Governor Christie should inspire teachers in his state. Their academic year and work days are determined by elected officials.
12 Monday, 26 December 2011 14:57
John Rehmer
It's now the day after Christmas. In a few minutes, I'm going to grade papers and put the grades into the on-line grade book. To everyone on the outside, I'm on Christmas vacation. What they don't see is that I have a pile of papers that I have already graded while on vacation, and I'm not done. The 42 minutes I'm given during my contracted school day doesn't touch the amount of time needed to prepare lessons, find and run off materials, grade papers, call parents, etc. Yes, I'm only in front of kids about 180 days a year, but the background work for the time I'm "on stage" takes about half again as long. And I'm a veteran teacher who's been doing this for literally decades. Imagine how long it must take some new teachers to whom everything is new!
11 Monday, 26 December 2011 13:42
Teacher in TN
Christie's remarks are an incredible slap in the face to teachers. While I am in the classroom, I do nothing but interact with students. For one thing, their behavior is atrocious. Only 10 percent of the poverty level kids in my public school are reading on grade level. I cannot grade papers while they are in the class. Consequently, I do all my grading and lesson planning on weekends. I spend the equivalent of another whole day on these jobs. I stay late after school every day to clean my class--many of the students are destructive and think nothing of trashing a classroom. I also call parents and do paperwork after school.I work at least a 60 hour week. I can't wait to get out of public education and teach in a private setting. Public school teaching has become a thankless job-- thanks in part to legislators like Christie.
10 Monday, 26 December 2011 11:59
Bruce Boyce
Dear Gov. Christie: I do not just wake up each morning and stand in front of 200 middle schoolers. It may seem that way, but that is because of the countless hours of preparation and professional development done when classes are not in session. I invite you and any other politician to come to my school, my classroom and follow actual working teachers not just for a day but for a week, a month, or a full school year. Then you can feel free to make blanket judgements about how hard teachers work.
9 Sunday, 18 December 2011 08:01
Mikey
Hey gov, don't throw stones. After accounting for your politics tour, how many days are you on duty in NJ? Don't get me wrong, the more you are gone the better!
8 Tuesday, 13 December 2011 18:50
edward rella
yoo big dude give it break help the vets they need much help stop being so angry edward
7 Tuesday, 13 December 2011 16:14
Rob2003
I guess it all depends on the teacher's work ethics. Being married to one, I can honestly tell you that 180 days only refer to the number of "student instruction" days. I find myself helping her out at night, on many a nights, correcting papers, cutting out teaching aides, putting together materials to use in classroom instruction, etc. because she does not have enough time in her day to do all this and teaching the students, dealing with school administrators, district requirements, parents' meetings, grade level meetings, curriculum changes, lesson plan creation and then recreation due to district mandated changes; also, depending on her class make-up, maintaining students' progress reports for outside agencies, etc, etc, etc. And not to mention the 2 weeks before Labor Day that she MUST spend without pay to prepare her classroom before the 1st day of school plus the 1 week in July without pay that she spends in her classroom, after school is off, breaking down and cleaning out her room. So essentially, instead of getting 62 days off, she would be lucky to get 28 days off.
I used to be one of those people that looked down at the teaching profession for the same reasons our Governor does, but I tell you, you could not pay me enough to be a teacher.
6 Tuesday, 13 December 2011 15:17
GeoProf
A teacher's lesson plan must be written out at least one week prior to its teaching and submitted to a supervisor for approval. A lesson plan must be submitted for EACH subject taught for EACH day!
Please tell me what jobs are out there that a worker has to submit a written comprehensive schedule describing approximately every 45 minutes of every workday with the details of what they will be doing and why?
When in the world do you believe a person is going to write such a plan if not during a different time from the scheduled contact hours with the students?
5 Tuesday, 13 December 2011 12:36
Anne Clark
Did you even watch the speech on You Tube? I didn't hear him say anything about "half the year" - that's your addition to his saying 180 days.

And the 180 days part of his speech was only a passing remark - not at all a significant comment.

Why not mention his comment that "you have a lot of affordable housing" in NJ? Or that we don't need Mt. Laurel because we have a housing glut in answer to an audience member's question asking if more affordable housing in areas with good schools could be a solution? I'd say those are both interesting comments.

Do your homework, and stop just reacting to NJEA nonsense.
4 Tuesday, 13 December 2011 12:35
Debbie
It sounds like Christie's mom was one of those teachers which tenor protected. He has no clue what a teachers life is like, so apparently she did a hours in the classroom no more no less.
3 Tuesday, 13 December 2011 11:43
ss1959
52 weeks: 2 weekends per week = 104
July and August = 62
Winter break: 15 (?)
Sick leave: 10 days (?)
Spring break: 5 days
Holidays: 9 days
total off = 21
days per year: 365
days worked: 160
2 Tuesday, 13 December 2011 11:21
Anne Clark
180/260 = 70%

So 70% is the baseline.

But what about federal holidays - add 10 days.
And the standard 2 weeks paid vacation? - add 10 days

200/260 = 77%

And add PD days and set-up/take down days - 8 days ?

208/260 = 80%

So Governor - you choose any number between 70% and 80% - but don;t open your mouth before you do some simple division.

And where does 260 come from? 52 x 5.
1 Tuesday, 13 December 2011 10:47
Reader
Really guys, if you want to be taken seriously, how about keeping spam out of your blog posts. It's not that hard. Not doing so is saying, "yes, we know this online journal is a joke and we don't care about it."

On a serious note, so it may not be only 180 days, but it's not much more. What? 190? 200? And putting in time for lesson plans, etc? That's about as much of a joke as this blog. Once a lesson plan is established teachers resue it every year. They don't spend each year 'reinventing the wheel'. Duh!

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